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Look for overlapping faces and the right palette in the texture, Mad ;)


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Ok, well I figure out my overall problems with textures and now have a working version of the EFC.
So due to bordem and the fact I can;t be bothered at the moment working on the model any more - I'll release them both tomorrow as an early version and in the future I'll attempt to remake them as a better version.
Speaking of which, I've recompiled the textures for the RSD, Vong Cruiser and Balarus with the fixed technique - and am currently thinking of what to do with them . . . get someone to test to see if they're worth while, upload a new texture pack or a new model.

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Bump! :D
Models are uploaded and ready to go:

DSD:
http://www.swrebellion.com/modules.php? ... it&lid=117

EFC:
http://www.swrebellion.com/modules.php? ... it&lid=118

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DSD:
Hull: 2750 Shields: 600 Recharge Rate: 25
Hyperdrive: 60 Sublight: 7 Maneuverability: 2
Troops: 1 Fighters: 5
&&&&&&&&&For | Aft | Sides | Range
Turbolasers: 242 | 242| 242 | 70
Ion Cannons: 20 | 20 | 20 | 50
Tractor Beam: 3, 20

EFC:
Hull: 3250 Shields: 300 Recharge Rate: 25
Hyperdrive: 60 Sublight: 7 Maneuverability: 1
Troops: 1 Fighters: 12
&&&&&&&&&For | Aft | Sides | Range
Turbolasers: 28 | 0 | 28 | 65
Ion Cannons: 20 | 4 | 4 | 50
Laser Canons: 25 | 25 | 25 | 25
Tractor Beam: 2, 25

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They both look good. However, the EFC is turned around. It actually flies backwards!

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AdmiralToguroAni wrote:
They both look good. However, the EFC is turned around. It actually flies backwards!



:oops: :oops: :oops:
I thought I'd remembered to fix that :?
Umm, I'll fix that ASAP!

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Sorry all, I should have checked that befoer I uploaded it :oops:
I think I've fixed it - try downloading it again. If it's still backwards tell me so I can fix it again

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After having posted a note about Defender-class Star Destroyers in the Majestic-class Cruiser thread, I noticed that there was already a DSD thread, so I guess I should have left my comment here instead.

This is a nitpicky point, but contrary to what has become accepted as conventional wisdom, the Defender-class Star Destroyer does not exist in the Star Wars universe. The source trilogy and the author's notes clearly indicate that the New Class Star Destroyer is designated the Nebula-class, after the first vessel of the class. This originally arose from a misunderstanding on the part of a West End Games writer, who then, thinking that there were three New Republic starships given the "Defender" designation (a starfighter, an assault carrier, and the unintentionally misnamed star destroyer), then made up a rationale for the naming scheme.

In all honesty, the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy seems to be among the less popular of the extended universe novels, and therefore most looking for information on the New Class vessels have gone straight to Cracken's Threat Dossier for information, bypassing the novels entirely. Because WEG never had the chance to publish errata before it lost the licence to publish Star Wars Roleplaying Game material, the incorrect name has stuck.

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dang, thats nitpicky.

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Hey shinsengumi, and first off - welcome to the forums! :D Always happy to have someone come along, especially when they have information to share.

Most of my info on the EU comes from varied sources. Most local bookstores and even libraries don't stock too much Star Wars novels or otherwise (with exception of the NJO series).
It's been a long time since I've gone though the Black Fleet Crisis, and due to my libraries lack of SW books, it wasn't in order. So, I'm not going to dispute any of your claims - actually commend you on gathering the resources together effectivelly.


I've read on a few occations what you're talking about regaurding the NSD - and also tend to agree. At the same time, I read an article that swayed me to the "other" side (wish I could find it again :? ).
All in all, I'm still gonig to call it a DSD (even though confussing), mainly because I like the name as well. Also, to note, is that the semi-rescently released Starships of the Galaxy, list it as a Defender class Star Destroyer with D20 stats that puts it in a little stronger, and more manouvreable than with the D6 stats, fueling the argument that the NSD and DSD are two different ships, with the DSD being a more modern version of the NSD.
Of course, that's loopholed with various arguments - like why create a new class rather than upgrade the old etc.
Of course on a technical point someone once mentioned, it could be argued that it should be the "Obi-Wan" class SD as the first vessel of the series was called the Obi-Wan . . . semantics really.

In the end, it's your choice - and seeing that the models are now available, and you've probably got Rebellion, it's a simple process of modifying stats and names to suit.

Of course, in the real end it's lucas owneth, and lucas changeth. Such as the original K-Wing, the "official" version has its own laser cannons whereas the original didn't seem to have any defenses. Most of the ships seem to get tinkered later to both better suit the universe, and more importantly to the tinkers, to fit gaps in the RPG stats tables.
If you go by the NJO novels, the New Republic doesn't seem to have any of the "new" class vessels, and the only new ships they use are of that era - BACs, Mediators etc.
On the fighter side, E- and B-Wings are rare and Y-Wings are still in service. X-Wings are everywhere while K-Wings and Defenders aren't even mentioned.
In fact, in Destiny's Way, they're still using MC80b's. One problem with LucasBooks, is there doesn't seem to be enough information and guidelines given to writters in the regaurds of ships. The author of Destiny's Way commented on this too, saying if he'd known of later ships in the SW universe, he'd have added them in. But he only had the books form the NJO series as well as the first Essential Guide to Vehicles (or whatever it's called). :roll:
It's become obvious in the later series that there's a lot for the reader to fill in, as in the case of the NJO it seemed to be better tailered to unfamilur readers of the EU.
How this applies back to the CTD and its content, really is only how you view it.
Like you point out, k-mac essentially created these vessels, so perhaps we should be following what he set out. On the other hand, it is Star Wars, and if they release "official" or even, newer and more offical information, should we go by that?

I'm half a sleep here after finishing uni at 7:30 pm and getting home . . . dont recal when . . . so, I'm not entirely sure that my argument made sense let alone is an argument.

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All in all, I'm still gonig to call it a DSD (even though confussing), mainly because I like the name as well. Also, to note, is that the semi-rescently released Starships of the Galaxy, list it as a Defender class Star Destroyer with D20 stats that puts it in a little stronger, and more manouvreable than with the D6 stats, fueling the argument that the NSD and DSD are two different ships, with the DSD being a more modern version of the NSD.
It's funny, isn't it, how a mistake, left uncorrected, goes and takes a life of its own. I disagree that the DSD indicated in the Starships of the Galaxy is a different vessel, because of two things. First of all, the concrete specifications of the two are just about identical (the D20 sourcebook rounds off the crew size to the nearest thousand and uses a value of 6 months instead of 5 for the consumables, though everything else, from cargo capacity and passenger capacity down to the exact number of weapons is identical). Second of all, doing conversions from D20 to D6 tends to result in inflated figures, particularly for damage, something that Gary Astleford noted in his extensive D20 to D6 conversions and something I found out myself when I tried my own hand at doing conversions when the Revised Core Rulebook came out.

As much as the Nebula-class designation is the correct one, I know that the incorrect Defender label will not go away, as the snowball has gotten so large and has gained so much momentum that a little twig like me has no chance of stopping it. My aim in bringing up this point here was not to try to get you to change the name of your ship, but just to help spread awareness that in fact in the novels where the particular vessel originally appeared, they were designated Nebula-class Star Destroyers, and that the background material written by WEG and WotC writers for their DSDs is largely material they whipped up themselves to try to flesh out the lie that they were unwittingly perpetuating.

In short, don't take my words too seriously, but rather think of it more as trivia than anything else.

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The Defender is undoubtably the same, or originally the same, ship as the NSD. My little rant there was just one way fans have tried to justified the existance of both ships.

I like some continuity in the EU cannon, so I generally try to fill in the gaps. My own personal answer to try and resolve the issue (as opposed to the two seperate ship classes that are almost identicle, as well as just writting off the DSD), at least for myself, to make both sides of the argument sort of follow through.
Simply put, the NSD was the original ship, however considering the NR only produced the ships in limited numbers a constant upgrade scheme wouldn't be out of the question. Newer technologies allowed the NSD to later be upgrade to house additional consumables and other resources, additional fighters etc. The time these changes came into effect, the NR was already downsizing the navy and in an effort to keep the focus of these impressive warships as a vessel intended on keeping the New Republic safe from those who would attack her (and to stop the buracrats condeming the waste of resources to large warships that could be replaced with smaller vessels as they seemed to do with so many others) the vessels class was re-named to Defender. The change of face stopped the decomissioning of the series, as well as continuing construction fo these mighty warships.
It's rather pointless, though for me at least makes some continuity in my mind at least.

In the end I tend to agree with practically everything you say. And, as even the newer stats point out, it's practically the same ship with only a handful of upgrades which hardly warrents a new ship or any change to the original designation of of the Nebula SD. Though the new stats do make the the NSD/DSD a much more capable warship, which helps considering its numbers versus Imperial ISDs.
Even in a straight up fight against an ISD mk II (weapons and armour only), I'd say the new NSD would win - add that to it's better speed and manouvreability and you've got a highly capable warship that would be meanacing to all but the largest of warships. Strong, powerful, difficult to hit with large salvos and it's capable of exploiting an opponents weakness.
I rather liked a few other changes that the Starships of the Galaxy book brought out, such as allowing large warships to have Point Defense Lasers, even if not mentioned. The main benefit to this, is the fact that if you look at the armourment of some Episode III, they seem to be armed with a large number of weapons - but a lot of those are PDLs, making the "newer" ships seem less impressive. The only annoyance is that it doesn't say how many to give to vessels or give a rule on how to calculate it :roll:


Just a suggestion to, you might try creating ship cards for the game for the new class ships (I'm assuming you know about Rebellion a little here). That way, you can spread the truth a little more :)
I'm pretty sure that there aren't any cards for the EU ships I've made - except the Majestic I think. I havn't made any, and I'm currently just trying to get time to fix my new majestic design. But, feel free to create your own cards with descriptions, stats and names for them :)

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The Defender is undoubtably the same, or originally the same, ship as the NSD. My little rant there was just one way fans have tried to justified the existance of both ships.

Oops! That was a little misunderstanding on my part ^_^'

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Just a suggestion to, you might try creating ship cards for the game for the new class ships (I'm assuming you know about Rebellion a little here). That way, you can spread the truth a little more Smile
I'm pretty sure that there aren't any cards for the EU ships I've made - except the Majestic I think. I havn't made any, and I'm currently just trying to get time to fix my new majestic design. But, feel free to create your own cards with descriptions, stats and names for them
Heh, it's been quite a long time since I last had Rebellion installed, and even longer since I last played around with making and loading cards with RebEd. Next time I go home, I guess I'll take a look for my old Rebellion CD and give it a spin and see what I can whip up.

I can only hope that whatever cards I toss together for your EU ships do your amazing modeling work justice!

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Whoops, didn't read this reply :oops:

I'm sure whatever you get done will be more than fine, and you'd be doing me a favour - I just havn't the time to do much else other than Uni work at the moment

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