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What do you think of my Majestic?
Great! 75%  75%  [ 15 ]
Not bad, not bad at all 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Could use a lot of work! 10%  10%  [ 2 ]
Don't quit your day job 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
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Very nice Work Kryt. :D

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Let me say that the new one totally OWNS. :D

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A small update. Textures are done, are converted and are working in the game (with the usual annoyances of colour variations etc.). I'm currently trying my decerative blue theme with the Majestic, and I'm glad that the two large New Republic crests show up nicely :)
I'll be releasing it with the a simple red lining texture, and if the texture packs ever get going there'll be 3 more at least. The bue one, another red one and one without.

The downside is that there are two bugs with it still. One I can fix by deleting parts of the engine (z-buffer issue, there's a surprise :roll: ). The other, I've got no idea why its occuring - the camera centres off to the side of the ship. I've tried moving the ship prior to export and can get it where the camera centres, but the bounding box doesn't move and look rather stupid :?
I'll be worknig on it later today when I wake up a little more - me need cafeeeeeeeen :!:

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Well, things aren't going so grand on the modelling front. Apart from the fact that I can't fix a bug with the model, for various reasons I wont have access to 3ds max or equivalent to work on it for some time - so there's going to be a ponderous wait on it I'm afraid :( :cry:

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Like many Star Wars fans, my favorite set of Expanded Universe novels is the original Thrawn Trilogy, but the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy sits at a close second because of two things: the comparatively detailed look at the mature New Republic administrative organization and the New Class military modernization program. For that reason, I really like Cracken's Threat Dossier, because the section on the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy focuses on the two aspects of the novels I enjoyed the most.

However, Cracken's Threat Dossier contains many significant inconsistencies with the source material that it is based on, and so approximately five years ago I began writing a revised and corrected Black Fleet Crisis chapter taking into consideration the notes I had taken during close readings of the text, unpublished supplementary information that Michael P. Kube McDowell (the author) wrote, and references to the New Class in other expanded universe novels. I finished most of the revisions, but then after graduating from high school and getting into university work stalled, but after seeing how far this mod project has gotten, I may very well dig up my old notes and finish my corrections.

Anyhow, for the sake of accuracy, I just want to address some of the points and misconceptions made earlier in this thread, so here goes!

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works fine. A bit smaller than I expected (about half the size of an ISD)
The Majestic-class Heavy Cruiser is less than half the size of an Imperator-class Star Destroyer. Cracken's Threat Dossier estimates the length at 700 meters, a length that is consistent with the general descriptions given in the Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy.

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Contrary to popular belief, the Defender-class Star Destroyer does not exist. The source trilogy and the author's notes clearly indicate that the New Class Star Destroyer is designated the Nebula-class, after the first vessel of the class. This originally arose from a misunderstanding on the part of a West End Games writer, who then, thinking that there were three New Republic starships given the "Defender" designation (a starfighter, an assault carrier, and the unintentionally misnamed star destroyer), then made up a rationale for the naming scheme.

Note that absolutely no mention is ever made of the Defender starfighter in the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. In the Hand of Thrawn dualogy, the only source I can think of where both the New Class starships and Defender starfighters both appear, there two are mentioned in entirely different contexts (Mara Jade flies a Defender starfighter to investigate the Hand of Thrawn, while Endurance-class Fleet Carriers are mentioned as being part of the Diamala fleet over Bothawui).

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he Majestic on the other hand was meant to be the gaurdian of these carrier groups, or take the fight to the enemy. 20 ion cannons, 20 laser cannons, 30 heavy turbolasers (that apparently significantly outrange an ISDs guns) and 8 Assault Concussion Missiles make up it's impressive weaponary - and as mentioned before it's armour and shielding matches that of an ISDs.
While most of the vessels in the New Class were designed for specific tasks, two ships, the Sacheen-class Escort Frigate and the Majestic-class Cruiser were intended as modern all-purpose capital combatants. It is true that the Majestic has more advanced systems and as heavy armor and shielding as Imperator Mark I Star Destroyers, but it is understood that in a one-on-one battle, the Imperator would likely win, as of the New Class vessels, it is clearly indicated that only the Nebula-class has a good chance of victory going one-on-one with an Imperator-class Star Destroyer.

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Confusingly, the Majestic carries 5 fighters squadrons
You are right that this is a very confusing statistic. There are two ways to reconcile this problem, of which you pointed out one, namely that the Majestic could simply be substantially more expensive to build and maintain than the Defender-class Assault Carrier.

Given that five is a very odd (and very high) number of squadrons for a heavy cruiser with so much space already devoted to weaponry and shielding to be holding, some have taken a different approach, namely that the five squadron figure is probably incorrect and that the Majestic-class probably carries somewlere closer to three squadrons (one complete New Republic fighter wing).

Personally, I find the latter to be more compelling, but as there has never been any further clarification in more official sources, which of the two explanations to accept is an entirely personal choice.

That's all for now, I guess. Let me know if you have any questions or if you would like me to elaborate on any further aspects of the New Class vesssels.

P.S. As a final note, don't take the illustrations in Cracken to be any kind of authority. The New Class vessels are supposed to be built off of common hulls to reduce production costs and to increase production efficiency, but the illustrations in Cracken of pairs of ships that should be built off of the same hull often look absolutely nothing alike, so what many have tended to do is to pick the more plausible of the two (as you have here with the Majestic and the Defender) and assume that both ships look more or less like that same model.


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he Majestic on the other hand was meant to be the gaurdian of these carrier groups, or take the fight to the enemy. 20 ion cannons, 20 laser cannons, 30 heavy turbolasers (that apparently significantly outrange an ISDs guns) and 8 Assault Concussion Missiles make up it's impressive weaponary - and as mentioned before it's armour and shielding matches that of an ISDs.

While most of the vessels in the New Class were designed for specific tasks, two ships, the Sacheen-class Escort Frigate and the Majestic-class Cruiser were intended as modern all-purpose capital combatants. It is true that the Majestic has more advanced systems and as heavy armor and shielding as Imperator Mark I Star Destroyers, but it is understood that in a one-on-one battle, the Imperator would likely win, as of the New Class vessels, it is clearly indicated that only the Nebula-class has a good chance of victory going one-on-one with an Imperator-class Star Destroyer.


Most of what I wrote was a mixture of re-written content from sources, as well as my own inference. The Majestic's setup makes it an ideal all rounder, with varying range weapons and capabilities, speed and armour. My point of saying it would be used as a fleet gaurdian vessel was aimed more at the way the NR seemed to fight their battles with these vessels (again, from other sources I've read and what I recal of the BFC). That being with carrier(s) being the main vessels of the fleet, and those carriers being protected from enemy vessels and fighters by other ships like say the Majestic (a vessel that could detere an ISD from striking the Carreir group head on) while the fighters and bombers of the fleet attacked the enemy positions.
This tactic failed in the BFC for a few reasons - the primary being to much focus on fighters and bombers being capable of taking out capitals, while being unsupported by friendly warships.


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Confusingly, the Majestic carries 5 fighters squadrons

You are right that this is a very confusing statistic. There are two ways to reconcile this problem, of which you pointed out one, namely that the Majestic could simply be substantially more expensive to build and maintain than the Defender-class Assault Carrier.

Given that five is a very odd (and very high) number of squadrons for a heavy cruiser with so much space already devoted to weaponry and shielding to be holding, some have taken a different approach, namely that the five squadron figure is probably incorrect and that the Majestic-class probably carries somewlere closer to three squadrons (one complete New Republic fighter wing).


I tend to agree with you there, I'd originaly assumed that the MhC had a Republic Wings worth of fighters, and had planned on keeping it that way until I found a thread some where on theForce.net's boards regaurding the topic and that they came to the agreement of 5 fighter squadrons due to it being used several times in official RPG scenarioes. I for one havn't read or scene any of the scenories, so can't say if it was true - though, this argument was backed up by others so it seemed to be true.

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P.S. As a final note, don't take the illustrations in Cracken to be any kind of authority. The New Class vessels are supposed to be built off of common hulls to reduce production costs and to increase production efficiency, but the illustrations in Cracken of pairs of ships that should be built off of the same hull often look absolutely nothing alike, so what many have tended to do is to pick the more plausible of the two (as you have here with the Majestic and the Defender) and assume that both ships look more or less like that same model.


I've already implemented this into my models for the New series, I've generally chosen the best looking image and used that for one of the two, and modified the other just so there's some visual difference).
In regaurds to the DAC and EFC, I've used their corrisponding sister class ships and added a pair of "flight" towers (just so there's some fluff behind the alterations - as they're dedicated carriers, the addition of individual control/flight towers to coordinate the fighters in battle maeks sense and allows the ships to be desitinguised at close range)

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Just curious on what you know about the Defender Starfighter. I know a little regaurding it stats wise - though little background story, as well as how accuarate the stats are. For starters, the stats imply (though don't directly say) that it's a two seater fighter - one pilot, one gunner. Also, it sounds as if it would by an ideally cheap fighter to spread throughout the New Republic's space to gaurd planets and outposts, as it would be cheaper to produce and maintain then any other NR starfighter.
I would imagine that in the NJO timeframe (Which I mention a lot, as it's one of the latest time peroids written about, and was also very popular) there'd be a large quantity of these fighters mixed in the TIE Interceptors and even X-Wings as planetry gaurdians or used for other short range tasks, while the E-Wings and XJ X-Wings go with capital vessels. This is in contrast to the Defender, to my understanding, being carried into battles by carriers with the itent of being a primary fighter along side the E-Wing.[/quote]

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Just curious on what you know about the Defender Starfighter. I know a little regaurding it stats wise - though little background story, as well as how accuarate the stats are. For starters, the stats imply (though don't directly say) that it's a two seater fighter - one pilot, one gunner. Also, it sounds as if it would by an ideally cheap fighter to spread throughout the New Republic's space to gaurd planets and outposts, as it would be cheaper to produce and maintain then any other NR starfighter.


I do not have any of my sourcebooks or novels with me this year at university, as I stopped being an active Star Wars fan as the prequels were being released, but from what I remember from the various source materials, the New Republic Defender starfighter is a short-range territorial defense fighter. In other words, it lacks a hyperdrive and is only effective as either a planetary defense or a carrier-based fighter craft.

You are correct that it is a two-seat fighter with one pilot and one optional gunner (in the Hand of Thrawn Dualogy, Mara Jade flies her Defender alone), though its weapons load-out is not very good (it has two or three forward-mounted laser cannons). Its hull and shields are also extremely poor as well, though it does have a decent turn rate (slightly better than an E-Wing but not as good as an A-Wing) though it isn't particularly fast (its speed is approximately at parity with the T-65 B X-Wing, which is more or less obsolete by the time of the Dualogy.

All in all, when compared to most fighters used in the Defense Force in the era from Black Fleet Crisis on through the Hand of Thrawn dualogy (T-65 AC4 X-Wings, E-Wings, and perhaps A-9 Vigilance Interceptors), the Defender is a very poor fighter, but you hit the nail on the head when you suggested that it's perhaps cheaper to produce and maintain than any other fighter, as I recall it being listed as being less than 50,000 credits while most front-line fighters cost upwards of 150,000 credits.

I do want to stress again that there is absolutely no evidence in any source other than Cracken's Threat Dossier (which, like I pointed out earlier), is rife with flaws, that the Defender starfighter had anything to do with the New Class modernization project. At the very least, the Fifth Fleet, the first of the fleets to be composed entirely of New Class capital ships, carried no Defender starfighters and instead carried only X-Wings (probably of the AC4 variant), E-Wings, and K-Wings. In short, despite what is written in CTD, I would urge against considering the Defender as a carrier-based fighter, at least for front-line fleets like the Fifth, as its specs make it seem more ideal for the planetary defense forces, particularly for outlying systems.

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Good news all. The old laptop has returned to where it came from, and will be sold off and make someone very happy. But for me, this means I get to steal . . . I mean borrow the new family/work laptop :wink:
The good and the bad. The good: better laptop - newer, faster and not in need of a format. The bad: technicians have made it very annoying to do anything on it.
Nevertheless, it only took me about 3 days until I installed 3ds on it (A big no no I was told by the true owner of the laptop :roll: ).
And low nad behold, the first thing I opened up and worked on was my Majestic. Now, can you guess what I got working?:)
Do you want a hint?
I'll give you a clue . . . well, I don't actually think you need the clue :wink:
So tomorrow, or tonight if I get a chance, I'll upload it!!!

mmmm . . . . Majestic goodness

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Mmmm majestic goodnes... awesome work

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Hey Krytos, can we get some profile pictures for your Majestic?

I still think of your version of it as the best one made yet. I was hoping to use it in my ship scale chart. (With your permission of course.)

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Thanks Def.

I'll have to grab the model ... I think/hope it's on my desktop :?

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What do you know? I had it zipped on my laptop all along!

Here's the render:
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If you want, send me your email via PM for the uncompressed PNG (which includes a transparency).

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This is fine Krytos. Thanks. :D

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