Lavo All your points are understood, and since your the man correct...... but frigates can be broken down now as follows: Gone >minute Gone My ideal game would be one where every frigate mattered and each loss hurt. When I first started playing this mod, i would build up to my first capital. Now I forgo most frigates to get that capital early. I used to love the early frigate to frigate battles. I love the hard neutral defenders, but early game your frigates are fodder. To bad Sins didnt allow for frigates to gain levels......... I think I would prefer fewer beefer frigates.......or bump some of the frigates to capitals and get rid of the same model cruiser/capitals.