1. I would like to be leader, or co-leader if you will, but if that's not possible then I'm fine with that 2. I'm an experienced programmer, mainly in the field of visual basic, i've been meaning to learn C++ for quite some time now. Trust me when I say it won't take me long to pick up, all I need to know is the specifics (ie names etc of different objects, and the basics of either directX or openGL depending on what we choose to use. At the moment i'm doing quite a bit of flash programming.... it's actually rather refreshing to do a little media cross programming.... Anyway enough about that. I'm in as a programmer and / or leader. Oh yeah, I did try to start my own (you may have noticed in one of the other posts ) This could actually be done if we could somehow gather all of the people that previously stated their intent to do this. Please get back to me on danielkerr@dodo.com.au (msn) Raytrace88 (AIM) or danielpkerr@dodo.com.au (e-mail) note the p in the e-mail but not in the msn, that's important. I'd really like to see this go through... Hope to be a part of it